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		<title>By: IMDB and Web Television QV China</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMDB and Web Television QV China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here: IMDB and Web Television          By admin &#124; category: imdb &#124; tags: become-the-standard, being-able, entertainment, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Casey McKinnon - I want my&#8230; I want my&#8230; I want my Web TV!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey McKinnon - I want my&#8230; I want my&#8230; I want my Web TV!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Rick Rey, NewTeeVee, Tubefilter and Tilzy.tv (David Nett) for writing about this subject earlier this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Rick Rey, NewTeeVee, Tubefilter and Tilzy.tv (David Nett) for writing about this subject earlier this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VSJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VSJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed a very interesting and relevant article. I have had several on-going communications with IMDB (Amazon) over the years about inconsistency within their criteria - particularly lack of clarity in their guidelines. Now, several years later, I am convinced that someone simply needs to start a competitive organization. One that focuses ONLY on professional, high-quality Web based shows. Call it WebMTVDB (Web Movie TV Database). Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed a very interesting and relevant article. I have had several on-going communications with IMDB (Amazon) over the years about inconsistency within their criteria &#8211; particularly lack of clarity in their guidelines. Now, several years later, I am convinced that someone simply needs to start a competitive organization. One that focuses ONLY on professional, high-quality Web based shows. Call it WebMTVDB (Web Movie TV Database). Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent of Change: Brandon Martinez is a Pioneer of New Media Representation - Broadcast Assassin</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23624</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent of Change: Brandon Martinez is a Pioneer of New Media Representation - Broadcast Assassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also advocate all of my creators to become a voice in the digital world. For example, David (Nett) wrote the editorial about IMDB&#8217;s double standards. Last week, IMDB announced they are creating a section for Web [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also advocate all of my creators to become a voice in the digital world. For example, David (Nett) wrote the editorial about IMDB&#8217;s double standards. Last week, IMDB announced they are creating a section for Web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IMDb to Add Web Series Category, So What's a Web Series?</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23620</link>
		<dc:creator>IMDb to Add Web Series Category, So What's a Web Series?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Nett, creator of the GOLD, a clever web series about a tabletop RPG gaming team, recently vented his frustrations about the inconsistent listing policy at IMDb. &#8220;No listing on IMDb is nearly tantamount to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23617</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this blog post, and I wanted to offer my 2 cents.  IMDB has very confusing listing policies, but it hasn&#039;t always been that way.  After years of the &#039;weekend filmmaker&#039; rush on the scene, I settled on the assumption that IMDB just doesn&#039;t want home movies clogging up the system.  I have to add that relying on film festivals is not a good policy at all.  If anyone has been to a festival lately, you know how unreliable the quality is (not to mention the &#039;in-crowd&#039; effect you have to get passed). I have many IMDB credits, but have been unsuccessful with listing one of my earlier films with an A-list actor (made in the 90&#039;s).  The actor in this film is a celebrity actor who&#039;s now commanding a studio salary on every movie...  Thousands of teen girls are in his fan club.  But IMDB still refuses to list the movie-- a 15-min film made on a $35k budget in 1995 that went to festivals.  In some ways, IMDB&#039;s submission policy is no different than pitching to the Studios or Nets-- If they don&#039;t know you or your agency, they don&#039;t want to hear about it.  I did notice IMDB still lists web series as TV shows, so it doesn&#039;t look like they&#039;re adapting for the format.  And with all fairness, we have to admit many web series out there are not much more than home movies.  I think the best solution is creating an alternative database for web content that isn&#039;t as elitist and imbalanced as IMDB.  Another possible solution could be to allow professionals already listed to post their content unrestricted.  But the biggest hurdle might be the fact that IMDB doesn&#039;t recognize any of these issues as a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this blog post, and I wanted to offer my 2 cents.  IMDB has very confusing listing policies, but it hasn&#8217;t always been that way.  After years of the &#8216;weekend filmmaker&#8217; rush on the scene, I settled on the assumption that IMDB just doesn&#8217;t want home movies clogging up the system.  I have to add that relying on film festivals is not a good policy at all.  If anyone has been to a festival lately, you know how unreliable the quality is (not to mention the &#8216;in-crowd&#8217; effect you have to get passed). I have many IMDB credits, but have been unsuccessful with listing one of my earlier films with an A-list actor (made in the 90&#8217;s).  The actor in this film is a celebrity actor who&#8217;s now commanding a studio salary on every movie&#8230;  Thousands of teen girls are in his fan club.  But IMDB still refuses to list the movie&#8211; a 15-min film made on a $35k budget in 1995 that went to festivals.  In some ways, IMDB&#8217;s submission policy is no different than pitching to the Studios or Nets&#8211; If they don&#8217;t know you or your agency, they don&#8217;t want to hear about it.  I did notice IMDB still lists web series as TV shows, so it doesn&#8217;t look like they&#8217;re adapting for the format.  And with all fairness, we have to admit many web series out there are not much more than home movies.  I think the best solution is creating an alternative database for web content that isn&#8217;t as elitist and imbalanced as IMDB.  Another possible solution could be to allow professionals already listed to post their content unrestricted.  But the biggest hurdle might be the fact that IMDB doesn&#8217;t recognize any of these issues as a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rey</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23618</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good write-up, David. I gave my 2 cents on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/bkwojq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good write-up, David. I gave my 2 cents on my blog: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/bkwojq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/bkwojq</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23622</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did an episode last year about Final Cut Pro editing for &quot;Indy Mogul&quot;, (28k views, last I checked) and one of the YouTube commenters asked something to the effect of &quot;If he&#039;s an Emmy Award-Winning Editor, how come he&#039;s not in IMDB?&quot;

That&#039;s a legitimate question, but if that same person had Googled &quot;emmy award editor&quot; without the quotes, he or she would have seen my name.  Same thing for &quot;emmy award resume&quot; without the quotes.  So, personally, I don&#039;t need IMDB, because I&#039;ve documented many of the television &amp; corporate projects I&#039;ve worked on as well as the names of the people that hired me.  If anyone has any questions, they can go ask them.

Having said that, if you have zero internet presence, IMDB is the only way that people are going to consider you legitimate.  I hadn&#039;t considered this because as a Freelancer in NYC, I get all of my work via word-of-mouth and I don&#039;t apply to random companies to edit for them.  I never needed to be listed anywhere, because the people that called me already knew who I was and what I could do.

Had I known IMDB was going to become such a big deal, I could have requested that every client I worked for submit our work for entry into the database.  As it happened, I was working with staffers, which means they had their jobs regardless of the internet, so there was no incentive for them to be interested in the IMDB database.  It&#039;s kind of like &quot;We&#039;re already in the business and have the demo reels to prove it, so why in the world would we need to put anything on the net?&quot;

Meanwhile, in Internet-Land, shows like Rocketboom and Something To Be Desired have been producing well-done episodes for years and years and I think should be recognized for putting in as much work, if not MORE than a lot of programs that made it to IMDB while demonstrating much less skill and/or longevity.

I don&#039;t know how the process works, but it seems to me that there should be some kind of vetting process for inclusion of internet shows into IMDB.  Should EVERYTHING get in?  Of course not.  However, IMO, the groups demonstrating professionalism, production values &amp; entertainment or educational value should have a chance to be included so that people without a history of actual television or film involvement are recognized as similarly capable content creators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did an episode last year about Final Cut Pro editing for &#8220;Indy Mogul&#8221;, (28k views, last I checked) and one of the YouTube commenters asked something to the effect of &#8220;If he&#8217;s an Emmy Award-Winning Editor, how come he&#8217;s not in IMDB?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a legitimate question, but if that same person had Googled &#8220;emmy award editor&#8221; without the quotes, he or she would have seen my name.  Same thing for &#8220;emmy award resume&#8221; without the quotes.  So, personally, I don&#8217;t need IMDB, because I&#8217;ve documented many of the television &amp; corporate projects I&#8217;ve worked on as well as the names of the people that hired me.  If anyone has any questions, they can go ask them.</p>
<p>Having said that, if you have zero internet presence, IMDB is the only way that people are going to consider you legitimate.  I hadn&#8217;t considered this because as a Freelancer in NYC, I get all of my work via word-of-mouth and I don&#8217;t apply to random companies to edit for them.  I never needed to be listed anywhere, because the people that called me already knew who I was and what I could do.</p>
<p>Had I known IMDB was going to become such a big deal, I could have requested that every client I worked for submit our work for entry into the database.  As it happened, I was working with staffers, which means they had their jobs regardless of the internet, so there was no incentive for them to be interested in the IMDB database.  It&#8217;s kind of like &#8220;We&#8217;re already in the business and have the demo reels to prove it, so why in the world would we need to put anything on the net?&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in Internet-Land, shows like Rocketboom and Something To Be Desired have been producing well-done episodes for years and years and I think should be recognized for putting in as much work, if not MORE than a lot of programs that made it to IMDB while demonstrating much less skill and/or longevity.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how the process works, but it seems to me that there should be some kind of vetting process for inclusion of internet shows into IMDB.  Should EVERYTHING get in?  Of course not.  However, IMO, the groups demonstrating professionalism, production values &amp; entertainment or educational value should have a chance to be included so that people without a history of actual television or film involvement are recognized as similarly capable content creators.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Sikora</title>
		<link>http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/01/29/imdb-and-web-television/comment-page-1/#comment-23621</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Sikora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article--I hope that IMDb gets the message. We&#039;ve been trying for almost two years to get some of our web series listed. One of our shows was getting about 50,000 viewers a week on YouTube and yet somehow that still doesn&#039;t count as a &quot;substantial verifiable viewership.&quot; Meanwhile they list a student film I did in college because it was accepted into a couple of film festivals.

The hardest thing for us is that like many web producers we rely on a lot of volunteer effort--people who are working for free to get experience, some material for their reel, and another title for their resume. It&#039;s unfortunate when these people invest heavily into a project and we can&#039;t even reward them with a new credit on their IMDb page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article&#8211;I hope that IMDb gets the message. We&#8217;ve been trying for almost two years to get some of our web series listed. One of our shows was getting about 50,000 viewers a week on YouTube and yet somehow that still doesn&#8217;t count as a &#8220;substantial verifiable viewership.&#8221; Meanwhile they list a student film I did in college because it was accepted into a couple of film festivals.</p>
<p>The hardest thing for us is that like many web producers we rely on a lot of volunteer effort&#8211;people who are working for free to get experience, some material for their reel, and another title for their resume. It&#8217;s unfortunate when these people invest heavily into a project and we can&#8217;t even reward them with a new credit on their IMDb page.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Nap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Nap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just been rejected for the fourth and fifth time by IMDB for not having a &quot;significant following&quot;, this article really hits home. For those of us who are putting every last penny we have, all of our spare hours, and every ounce of our energy into our web projects, do we not deserve more than a faceless form letter? Should we not have a clear understanding of what hurdle we need to leap over before gaining entry to IMDB&#039;s Valhalla of Credits?

It&#039;s time that the site owners and moderators faced the facts: the media world is changing and if they want to stay on top of the cyber world, they need to adjust to the times. My show &quot;Issues: The Series&quot; has talent from feature films and television, was covered in numerous media outlets and the pilot episode recently crossed 3,000 views in two weeks. We have a booth at NY ComicCon. We filmed in high def. How are we any less professional than a short film that airs in a single film festival?

-Scott Nap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just been rejected for the fourth and fifth time by IMDB for not having a &#8220;significant following&#8221;, this article really hits home. For those of us who are putting every last penny we have, all of our spare hours, and every ounce of our energy into our web projects, do we not deserve more than a faceless form letter? Should we not have a clear understanding of what hurdle we need to leap over before gaining entry to IMDB&#8217;s Valhalla of Credits?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time that the site owners and moderators faced the facts: the media world is changing and if they want to stay on top of the cyber world, they need to adjust to the times. My show &#8220;Issues: The Series&#8221; has talent from feature films and television, was covered in numerous media outlets and the pilot episode recently crossed 3,000 views in two weeks. We have a booth at NY ComicCon. We filmed in high def. How are we any less professional than a short film that airs in a single film festival?</p>
<p>-Scott Nap</p>
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